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[i]ISIHAC [message #250607] Mi, 05 April 2006 20:52
alec  
BBC7 played on Monday, and currently has available on Listen Again, the
very first episode of I'm Sorry, I Haven't A Clue, retrieved from
someone's home tape recording (hence quality not marvellous).

This may be of interest to fans of the show. It had some rough edges
which have got polished off since, but it is very recognisably the same
show. Humph, in particular, was exactly the same as he is now. And the
first round of the first show was One Song To The Tune Of Another.

Cast Humph, TB-T and GG, of course, but also Bill Oddie and Jo Kendall,
still there from ISIRTA, and music by Dave Lee.

I wonder when they first imported Mornington Crescent?
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #250616 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 21:25
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
Also Sprach Alec Cawley:

> BBC7 played on Monday, and currently has available on
> Listen Again, the very first episode of I'm Sorry, I
> Haven't A Clue, retrieved from someone's home tape
> recording (hence quality not marvellous).

Which is weird, because there's a somewhat better version[1]
comercially available as part of the ISIHAC 30th aniversary
CD.

> This may be of interest to fans of the show. It had some
> rough edges which have got polished off since, but it is
> very recognisably the same show. Humph, in particular, was
> exactly the same as he is now.

"Hello and welcome to an unlikely panel game in which the four
contestants are invited to make utter fools of themselves, for
which I will be awarding them points, and then we can all take
the money and go home. In the unlikely event of them giving us
any money."

Maybe it's just me, but compared to later years, this seems
downright enthusiastic...

> And the first round of the
> first show was One Song To The Tune Of Another.

That confused me. I think Humph should have explained it
better.

> Cast Humph, TB-T and GG, of course, but also Bill Oddie and
> Jo Kendall, still there from ISIRTA, and music by Dave Lee.
>
> I wonder when they first imported Mornington Crescent?

Quite early on, I think. Certainly I don't remember any time
prior to my Dad complaining that it *used* to have proper
rules, based on the A-Z, but they'd stopped bothering with
them, since they thought no-one could tell the difference.

[1]At least to my ears.

--
Dave
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"Sometimes scientific progress requires personal sacrifice.
Personally, I sacrifice Beaker." -Dr Bunsen Honeydew
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #250667 ] Do, 06 April 2006 00:24
stuart  
Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidchenedelh [at] aol.com> wrote:

> Also Sprach Alec Cawley:
>
>> BBC7 played on Monday, and currently has available on
>> Listen Again, the very first episode of I'm Sorry, I
>> Haven't A Clue, retrieved from someone's home tape
>> recording (hence quality not marvellous).
>
> Which is weird, because there's a somewhat better version[1]
> comercially available as part of the ISIHAC 30th aniversary
> CD.

Just a cleaned-up version of the same tape (possibly by Ted Kendall,
the guy who restored all the Goon Show recordings). The only
substantial difference I noticed on the ISIHAC recording was that a
different version of the theme music appeared on the CD, perhaps for
contractual reasons.

>> And the first round of the
>> first show was One Song To The Tune Of Another.
>
> That confused me. I think Humph should have explained it
> better.

:-)

Also worthy of note: Samantha wasn't present, yet they managed to
announce a final score somehow...




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Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #250733 ] Do, 06 April 2006 05:27
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote
> Also Sprach Alec Cawley:

>> I wonder when they first imported Mornington Crescent?
>
> Quite early on, I think. Certainly I don't remember any time
> prior to my Dad complaining that it *used* to have proper
> rules, based on the A-Z, but they'd stopped bothering with
> them, since they thought no-one could tell the difference.

Two questions:

(1) What does Alec mean by MC being "imported"?
(2) What on earth is "the A-Z"?

Adrian.
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #250737 ] Do, 06 April 2006 06:22
Brenda  
8'FED said:

> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote
>> Also Sprach Alec Cawley:
>
>>> I wonder when they first imported Mornington Crescent?
>>
>> Quite early on, I think. Certainly I don't remember any time
>> prior to my Dad complaining that it *used* to have proper
>> rules, based on the A-Z, but they'd stopped bothering with
>> them, since they thought no-one could tell the difference.
>
> Two questions:
>
> (1) What does Alec mean by MC being "imported"?

He means that, in his opinion, the game of Mornington Crescent was not
invented by the "I'm Sorry, I Haven't A Clue" folks, but was devised
externally and independently, and later incorporated into the programme,
presumably be someone who thought it was a good idea at the time.

> (2) What on earth is "the A-Z"?

A series of street atlases, typically one per town (although some contain
several of the surrounding towns or villages as well), each containing a
street index in alphabetical order. See http://www.a-zmaps.co.uk/ for more
information.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #250769 ] Do, 06 April 2006 11:57
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
Also Sprach Richard Heathfield:

> 8'FED said:

>> (2) What on earth is "the A-Z"?
>
> A series of street atlases, typically one per town
> (although some contain several of the surrounding towns or
> villages as well), each containing a street index in
> alphabetical order. See http://www.a-zmaps.co.uk/ for more
> information.
>

That's it. According to certain sources, including my Dad,
Mornington Crescent used to have a couple of simple rules
where the last station called determined how many pages you
could turn, and you were limited to stations on the page you
ended up on. Or something. Dad said the actual tube lines came
into it somewhere as well.

Incidentally, I believe there's a reference in one of the
books to the Ankh-Morpork Alpha to Omega map...

--
Dave
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Personally, I sacrifice Beaker." -Dr Bunsen Honeydew
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #250773 ] Do, 06 April 2006 12:27
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:

> That's it. According to certain sources, including my Dad,
> Mornington Crescent used to have a couple of simple rules
> where the last station called determined how many pages you
> could turn, and you were limited to stations on the page you
> ended up on. Or something. Dad said the actual tube lines came
> into it somewhere as well.

Unless I am very mistaken, Mornington Crescent is intended as a parody
of the British train system. The insinuation is that the system
operates according to arbitrary, illogical, incomprehensible,
seemingly-made-up-as-someone-goes-along principles.

Adrian.
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #250780 ] Do, 06 April 2006 13:23
Paul Harman  
"8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote in message
news:e12qf9$20m4$1 [at] mud.stack.nl...
> Unless I am very mistaken, Mornington Crescent is intended as a parody
> of the British train system. The insinuation is that the system
> operates according to arbitrary, illogical, incomprehensible,
> seemingly-made-up-as-someone-goes-along principles.


Mornington Crescent is a station on the Northern Line of the London
Underground, between Euston and Camden. The Northern "Line" is really
actually 2 lines that meet up at two points... the result being that it's
very difficult to get on a train that is actually going to stop there,
because a lot of them take the track that goes directly from Euston to
Camden.

The added fun is that it was shut during the '90s being massively rebuilt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mornington_Crescent_tube_statio n

Paul
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #250797 ] Do, 06 April 2006 15:15
news0604  
8'FED wrote:
> Unless I am very mistaken, Mornington Crescent is intended as a parody
> of the British train system. The insinuation is that the system
> operates according to arbitrary, illogical, incomprehensible,
> seemingly-made-up-as-someone-goes-along principles.

In which case it is not a parody, but a faithful representation.

Michael
(who could not resist)
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #250834 ] Do, 06 April 2006 18:27
Ross  
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:57:35 +0930, 8'FED wrote in
<e12qf9$20m4$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>, seen in alt.fan.pratchett:

[...]
> Unless I am very mistaken, Mornington Crescent is intended as a parody
> of the British train system. The insinuation is that the system
> operates according to arbitrary, illogical, incomprehensible,
> seemingly-made-up-as-someone-goes-along principles.

They're wrong, then. The railway system in .uk is nowhere near that
organised.
--
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Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #250852 ] Do, 06 April 2006 20:18
alec  
In article <e121qe$12p2$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>, dragon [at] netyp.com.au says...
> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote
> > Also Sprach Alec Cawley:
>
> >> I wonder when they first imported Mornington Crescent?
> >
> > Quite early on, I think. Certainly I don't remember any time
> > prior to my Dad complaining that it *used* to have proper
> > rules, based on the A-Z, but they'd stopped bothering with
> > them, since they thought no-one could tell the difference.
>
> Two questions:
>
> (1) What does Alec mean by MC being "imported"?
> (2) What on earth is "the A-Z"?


Since books have been published tracing the ancestry of MC back to Roman
times, with Mediaeval, Commonwealth, and Regency variants, it must have
been in existence before the first ISIHAC show, and must therefore have
been imported. Consult Stovold for further enlightenment.
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #250861 ] Do, 06 April 2006 20:39
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
Also Sprach Alec Cawley:

> In article <e121qe$12p2$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>,
> dragon [at] netyp.com.au says...

>> (1) What does Alec mean by MC being "imported"?

> Since books have been published tracing the ancestry of MC
> back to Roman times, with Mediaeval, Commonwealth, and
> Regency variants, it must have been in existence before the
> first ISIHAC show, and must therefore have been imported.
> Consult Stovold for further enlightenment.

Although the history of British radio is *also* longer than
commonly thought.
http://www.britishcomedy.org.uk/comedy/2000yrsradio.html

--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"Sometimes scientific progress requires personal sacrifice.
Personally, I sacrifice Beaker." -Dr Bunsen Honeydew
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #251234 ] Sa, 08 April 2006 08:35
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Ross wrote:
> 8'FED wrote:

>> Unless I am very mistaken, Mornington Crescent is intended as a parody
>> of the British train system. The insinuation is that the system
>> operates according to arbitrary, illogical, incomprehensible,
>> seemingly-made-up-as-someone-goes-along principles.
>
> They're wrong, then. The railway system in .uk is nowhere near that
> organised.

When we were in .uk (early eighties) my family found the railway
system to be infinitely superior to anything we were used to.

Adrian.
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #251237 ] Sa, 08 April 2006 09:17
Brenda  
8'FED said:

> Ross wrote:
>> 8'FED wrote:
>
>>> Unless I am very mistaken, Mornington Crescent is intended as a parody
>>> of the British train system. The insinuation is that the system
>>> operates according to arbitrary, illogical, incomprehensible,
>>> seemingly-made-up-as-someone-goes-along principles.
>>
>> They're wrong, then. The railway system in .uk is nowhere near that
>> organised.
>
> When we were in .uk (early eighties) my family found the railway
> system to be infinitely superior to anything we were used to.

Nevertheless, it was still badly organised. And it has declined rapidly over
the last twenty years or so.

--
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"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
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email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] ISIHAC [message #251251 ] Sa, 08 April 2006 11:04
Brian Howlett  
On 8 Apr, Richard Heathfield wrote:

> 8'FED said:

[snip]

>> When we were in .uk (early eighties) my family found the railway
>> system to be infinitely superior to anything we were used to.
>
> Nevertheless, it was still badly organised. And it has declined rapidly over
> the last twenty years or so.
>
British Rail still existed as a single entity in the 1980s - it was
privatised in the mid-1990s, leading to the current shambles.

I'm sure our train drivers will be along shortly to confirm this. If
not, the lurkers *will* support me in email... ;-)
--
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------------------------------------------------------------ ----
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ten minutes..
Re: [I] ISIHAC [message #251252 ] Sa, 08 April 2006 11:14
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Brian Howlett wrote:

> British Rail still existed as a single entity in the 1980s - it was
> privatised in the mid-1990s, leading to the current shambles.

The Great British Tradition of complaining about it, however, goes
right back to prehistoric times. :-)

Adrian.
Re: [I] ISIHAC [message #251259 ] Sa, 08 April 2006 12:36
Brenda  
Brian Howlett said:

> On 8 Apr, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>
>> 8'FED said:
>
> [snip]
>
>>> When we were in .uk (early eighties) my family found the railway
>>> system to be infinitely superior to anything we were used to.
>>
>> Nevertheless, it was still badly organised. And it has declined rapidly
>> over the last twenty years or so.
>>
> British Rail still existed as a single entity in the 1980s - it was
> privatised in the mid-1990s, leading to the current shambles.

That's right. Say what you like about British Rail (and we did!), at least
they made the trains run on ti... er... er... never mind.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
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email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #251337 ] Sa, 08 April 2006 19:36
Thomas Zahr  
8'FED posted:

> Ross wrote:
>> 8'FED wrote:
>
>>> Unless I am very mistaken, Mornington Crescent is
>>> intended as a parody of the British train system. The
>>> insinuation is that the system operates according to
>>> arbitrary, illogical, incomprehensible,
>>> seemingly-made-up-as-someone-goes-along principles.
>>
>> They're wrong, then. The railway system in .uk is nowhere
>> near that organised.
>
> When we were in .uk (early eighties) my family found the
> railway system to be infinitely superior to anything we
> were used to.

That is not a contradiction.

--
Ciao

Thomas =:-)
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Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #251438 ] So, 09 April 2006 01:32
Andy Davison  
On Thursday 06 April 2006 17:27, Ross wrote:

> They're wrong, then. The railway system in .uk is nowhere near that
> organised.

Of course it's that organised. It just doesn't use the logic you grew up
with :)
--
Andy Davison
andy [at] oiyou.force9.co.uk
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #251454 ] So, 09 April 2006 03:24
Ross  
On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 16:05:17 +0930, 8'FED wrote in
<e17lja$mpt$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>, seen in alt.fan.pratchett:
> Ross wrote:
> > 8'FED wrote:
>
> >> Unless I am very mistaken, Mornington Crescent is intended as a parody
> >> of the British train system. The insinuation is that the system
> >> operates according to arbitrary, illogical, incomprehensible,
> >> seemingly-made-up-as-someone-goes-along principles.
> >
> > They're wrong, then. The railway system in .uk is nowhere near that
> > organised.
>
> When we were in .uk (early eighties) my family found the railway
> system to be infinitely superior to anything we were used to.

Quite likely; the early 80s was a long time ago, though, and in the
meantime sectorisation, privatisation, franchising, Hatfield and other
various balzups have happened.

The UK railway system can be excellent. It can also be
heart-breakingly awful, especially if you are on the inside and can
remember the days when it wasn't anywhere near as unprofessional.
--
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Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #251455 ] So, 09 April 2006 03:24
Ross  
On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 00:32:00 +0100, Andy Davison wrote in
<443847f2$0$2556$ed2619ec [at] ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>, seen in
alt.fan.pratchett:
> On Thursday 06 April 2006 17:27, Ross wrote:
>
> > They're wrong, then. The railway system in .uk is nowhere near that
> > organised.
>
> Of course it's that organised. It just doesn't use the logic you grew up
> with :)

Or any logic at all, for that matter.


Anyone for signal sighting rules which permit new signals for a slow
line to be sighted in positions which mean they almost totally obscure
signals for an adjacent 125mph line? Or LED signals which are
blindingly bright of viewed from straight ahead but almost invisible
if viewed from the sort of angle you get when someone puts a stop
board *precisely* 2 coaches away from the signal? Or headlights which
blind you but which the muppets at RSSB claim are perfectly alright
"because [they've] carried out lab tests and confirmed that they do
not dazzle"?

Welcome to the happy world of the privatised railway. We're almost as
bad as LUL. ;-/
--
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Re: [I] ISIHAC [message #251456 ] So, 09 April 2006 03:31
Ross  
On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 10:36:03 +0000, Richard Heathfield wrote in
<XPadnYjd0L-aD6rZRVnyvQ [at] bt.com>, seen in alt.fan.pratchett:
> Brian Howlett said:
> > On 8 Apr, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> >> 8'FED said:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >>> When we were in .uk (early eighties) my family found the railway
> >>> system to be infinitely superior to anything we were used to.
> >>
> >> Nevertheless, it was still badly organised. And it has declined rapidly
> >> over the last twenty years or so.
> >>
> > British Rail still existed as a single entity in the 1980s - it was
> > privatised in the mid-1990s, leading to the current shambles.
>
> That's right. Say what you like about British Rail (and we did!), at least
> they made the trains run on ti... er... er... never mind.

<g>

British Rail proudly published its very own work of fiction
twice-yearly, and apparently some even believed the Great Britain
Timetable was intended to inform as to the actual times of trains. Its
purpose, of course, was to inform as to when trains would *not*
actually appear.

Semi-seriously, the big difference between BR and the privatised
operators I've dealt with is that BR knew what it was supposed to do
but rarely managed to deliver consistently (or at all). The POIDW
don't even have a clue about what they're supposed to be doing (apart
from providing a shield for the Department for Transport to hide
behind).
--
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Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #251464 ] So, 09 April 2006 04:59
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Ross wrote:
> Andy Davison wrote:
>> Ross wrote:
>>
>> > They're wrong, then. The railway system in .uk is nowhere near that
>> > organised.
>>
>> Of course it's that organised. It just doesn't use the logic you grew up
>> with :)
>
> Or any logic at all, for that matter.

In _Microworlds_ by Stanislaw Lem, he makes a statement which is based
on a false premise regarding dragons. Nevertheless, he proposes a good
idea:

"If we were to change railway signals so that they ordered the
stopping of trains in moments of danger not by blinking red lights
but by pointing with stuffed dragons, we would be using fantastic
objects as signals, but those objects would still have a real,
nonfantastic function. The fact that there are no dragons has no
relationship to the real purpose or method of signalling. As in
life we can solve real problems with the help of images of
nonexistent beings, so in literature can we signal the existence
of real problems with the help of prima cacie impossible
occurrences or objects."

In Texas, I have read, there is a law which says, "If two trains
approach each other at a crossing, they should both stop, and neither
should start up until the other has gone".

Adrian.
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #251522 ] So, 09 April 2006 15:13
Ross  
On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:29:31 +0930, 8'FED wrote in
<e19taj$2i38$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>, seen in alt.fan.pratchett:

> "If we were to change railway signals so that they ordered the
> stopping of trains in moments of danger not by blinking red lights

Um. I know of nowhere where a flashing red light is the railway stop
signal.

Belgium uses flashing signals to denote wrong-line running and in the
UK we use flashing reds to denote the rear of (certain) trains, but in
all cases the normal stop signal is a simple, steady, red light.

OK, I know it's irrelevant to the analogy, but that sort of incorrect
statement always makes my brain go "clang" however irrelevant it is.
--
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Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #251524 ] So, 09 April 2006 15:22
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Ross wrote:

> OK, I know it's irrelevant to the analogy, but that sort of incorrect
> statement always makes my brain go "clang" however irrelevant it is.

Yeah, well, how do you think I feel about the statement that dragons
don't exist? :-)

Adrian.
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #251525 ] So, 09 April 2006 15:31
alec  
In article <lt1i32h3g78jm7butmaeve2itu9pkl1ia2 [at] 4ax.com>, junk.trap [at] ross-
mail.me.uk says...
> On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:29:31 +0930, 8'FED wrote in
> <e19taj$2i38$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>, seen in alt.fan.pratchett:
>
> > "If we were to change railway signals so that they ordered the
> > stopping of trains in moments of danger not by blinking red lights
>
> Um. I know of nowhere where a flashing red light is the railway stop
> signal.
>
> Belgium uses flashing signals to denote wrong-line running and in the
> UK we use flashing reds to denote the rear of (certain) trains, but in
> all cases the normal stop signal is a simple, steady, red light.
>
> OK, I know it's irrelevant to the analogy, but that sort of incorrect
> statement always makes my brain go "clang" however irrelevant it is.

Probably a failure of idiom in the translation. Read so it read "turning
on and off red lights", it might make more sense.
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #251538 ] So, 09 April 2006 17:31
Hendrik Schober  
8'FED <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:
> Ross wrote:
>
>> OK, I know it's irrelevant to the analogy, but that sort of incorrect
>> statement always makes my brain go "clang" however irrelevant it is.
>
> Yeah, well, how do you think I feel about the statement that dragons
> don't exist? :-)

Since it was made by Lem, don't worry. He wrote a few
stories where probability amplifiers (or whatever they
are called in English, I read German translations)
made dragons existing. Among other, um, things.

Schobi

--
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Eric Jarvis
Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #251544 ] So, 09 April 2006 18:10
Ross  
On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:52:53 +0930, 8'FED wrote in
<e1b208$dml$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>, seen in alt.fan.pratchett:
> Ross wrote:
>
> > OK, I know it's irrelevant to the analogy, but that sort of incorrect
> > statement always makes my brain go "clang" however irrelevant it is.
>
> Yeah, well, how do you think I feel about the statement that dragons
> don't exist? :-)

Oh, he's obviously wrong about that. He must be, I'm typing a message
to one right now...
--
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Re: [i]ISIHAC [message #251556 ] So, 09 April 2006 18:59
Arthur Hagen  
8'FED <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:
>
> In _Microworlds_ by Stanislaw Lem, he makes a statement which is based
> on a false premise regarding dragons.
[...]

Speaking of, did anyone else note that Stanislaw Lem passed away a couple of
weeks ago? :-(

<URL: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Stanis%C5%82aw_Lem_dies_at_84>

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